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    I Believe

    I have my mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    I'll have me mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said


    I'll do all things through Christ, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    I'll do all things through Christ, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said


    He shall supply my need, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    He shall supply my need, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said


    BRIDGE I:

    By faith I believe it, By faith I receive it
    By faith I can have it, By faith I can share it
    I believe just what he said


    I have my mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    I'll have me mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said

    He worked it out for me, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    He worked it out for me, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said


    Bridge II:

    By faith I will know it, By faith I will show it
    By faith I will bare it, and now I'll declare
    I believe just what he said


    I have my mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    I'll have me mansion now, Oh
    I Believe, I believe just what he said

    I Believe, I Believe
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    I Believe, I Believe
    I Believe, I believe just what he said


    He loosed the guilty stain, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
    He loosed the guilty stain, Oh
    I Believe, I Believe just what he said

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29 September 2007

Comments

first off, this entry has educated me on religion in a way i have yet to encounter, so thanks for that.

color me simple when it comes to religion, but i've always thought spirituality was a personal thing and therefore, chosen based on the individiual's belief system as established by his/her life experiences. therefore, i put no ethnicity on any of the faiths. what works for a person, what best empowers him/her is what he/she should go with.

maybe that's oversimplifying the discussion but in this case, i'd rather go with simple. way too many other issues for me to fret over. :)

@Nikki:

Hey Nikki, thanks for chiming in! :-)

Religions are social constructs made by people with the intent to deal with spiritual and moral issues. Law more or less. Governments have replaced the "law" function for the most part.

Spirituality is a personal thing, or should be. Some religions help foster that personal relationship, some do not.

Peace

me too. If I HAD to equate two things the holy spirit would come closest to shekhina.

(although I must admit I have away from christianity, I don't 100% remember what the holy spirit was about.)

re: if christianity is a white man's religion

I wont' answer but I think one fundemental difference that is being glossed over (I think) is that Islam and Judaism are not so much religions as they are a way of life.

@Miriam:

I think that makes Islam and Judaism more "religion" in the strict sense than Christianity (in the case of Judaism I believe there is more of a range, from Ultra Orthodox whom the Kosher lifestyle is more serious to the Reform Judaism where it is a bit more compartmentalized). As they are very tied to an overall culture, whereas Christianity for the most part is not tied to a "culture", it goes in one of two extremes (at least here in the US), either it is compartmentalized and does not affect the persons day to day OR it is truly a spiritual relationship that affects every aspect of a persons life. It is therefore either "religion" or "spirituality" depending on the individual following the faith.

Now you do find in some of the more ancient traditions of the faith (i.e. the Coptic church or the churches of Ethiopia and Eritrea) Christianity being practiced in more of a lifestyle / cultural way (similarly to Orthodox Judaism or Islam)
I believe Jesus meant for it to be a spiritual discipline and actuality above any religious tradition.

Very interesting, DJ. Thanks!

Great post!!

@DJ or anyone else commenting. Have you ever studied the convening of the Council of Nicea in 325 AD? And the circumstances surrounding the convention? Or the bakcground of Constantine? There are 66 books in the bible yet the bible itself mentions other books, for instance the Book of Jasher or the Book of the Wars of the Lord, or the book or 1st & 2nd Kings are really 3rd and 4th Kings. Does anyone know of these books where the original 1st & 2nd Kings are and why they do not appear in the bible? Or why there are text much older than the bible that are almost exactly the same as some of the books of the bible, word for word yet these books are not studied and held in the same reverence as the bible?

Ensayn,

don't know. sorry.

I'm also in 'search mode' of sorts.

Very interesting post. I don't have much religious schooling, so I cannot contribute much more in that respect, but I am loving your theme music. ; )

I studied a lot of what you said at length in college. Surprisingly, no one really touched on the idea that Christianity had - what some may consider - a significant presence in Africa prior to it's destruction by European interlopers. Knowing that all history is open to interpretation I'll concede that you've added an very interesting and thought provoking layer to the discourse.

Hey DJ,

can I bug you with a question?

I know you are not the one to ask, but I can't seem to find THE one as of yet.

Remember how we were talking about the Shechina?

Well some parts of judaism has the idea that Israel is a small microcosm of the world. Like for example, if something is not right with an area in Israel, the counterpart, say Argentina, will also have same or like problems, etc. (In fact, all the spiritual parts have a physical equivalent, according to that belief)

Anyways, I once read a book and in the book they portrayed the shechina as all black. This made me wonder, could bw be the physical equivalent to the shechina?

Now, I know you are a staunch Christian -despite the title of this post- there was no doubt that Christianity is unquestionably for you. so, If this rubs too much with your beliefs then PLEASE BY ALL MEANS IGNORE this.

(but if you do know an open minded person -preferably someone black and knowledgeable of Jewish thoughts please refer me to them. Thanks)

“Hey DJ,”

Hey Miriam :-)

“can I bug you with a question?”

No “bug” feel free, its 5am, and I'm up watching "Curb your Enthusiasm" so what the heck!

“I know you are not the one to ask, but I can't seem to find THE one as of yet.”

You’d be surprised…

“Remember how we were talking about the Shechina?”

Yes.

“Well some parts of judaism has the idea that Israel is a small microcosm of the world. Like for example, if something is not right with an area in Israel, the counterpart, say Argentina, will also have same or like problems, etc. (In fact, all the spiritual parts have a physical equivalent, according to that belief)”

Well, I would agree that things in the unseen world have manifiestaions in the “seen” world.

“Anyways, I once read a book and in the book they portrayed the shechina as all black. This made me wonder, could bw be the physical equivalent to the shechina?”

Did you mean to write BW as in “Black Women”? Or “we”? Either way, let us discuss the Shekina. I am familiar from my studies of the Zohar and the Talmud that the Shekina has a range of interpretations within Judaism. The word itself means: “dwelling” for the presence of God. However, I would go with what the Torah says in regard to the Shekina (or infers regarding the concept, I am not sure if the word itself is in the Masortic Text), and generally it agrees with the definition of “dwelling” of God, as the Shekina was present in the Holy of Holies of the Temple of God, as well preceded Israel when the left Egypt.

I would not agree that the Shekina has a “physical” form, however, I am looking at the Shekina in context to what Jesus revealed about the Spirit of God, which may or may not interest you (so I will save that, unless you ask about that). But even looking at Him purely from the example of what is revealed in the Torah, I would still say that the Shekina has no physical equivalent, as He is at the least an aspect of the Most High God, and beyond temporal and spatial limitations.

“Now, I know you are a staunch Christian -despite the title of this post- there was no doubt that Christianity is unquestionably for you. so, If this rubs too much with your beliefs then PLEASE BY ALL MEANS IGNORE this.”

I am a staunch follower of Jesus, but I am not the dogmatic "Christian" type, so feel free to ask what you will, as long as it does not involve me listening to “Crunk” music!

“(but if you do know an open minded person -preferably someone black and knowledgeable of Jewish thoughts please refer me to them. Thanks)”

I am open minded, last time I checked I was Black, and have a familiarity with “Jewish thought” and open to discussion.

Thanks so much. I'm in Israel, in modern Hebrew:

sh(khey)na = neighbor
sh(khoo)na= neighborhood

I actually meant to write BW but, after thinking about it, bW and BM history are very intertwinned so it doesn't matter.

And wait, Christians believe that Jesus is /was God and a person at the same time, so why is it hard to believe the Shekhina can also?

At any rate, I don't mean that they are one (BP and Shekhina) I just mean that one is the physical representation (not same nor manifestation) of the other.

Like Moses (the highest prophet for the Jewish world) marrying a black woman (or at least dark) I suspect that that union was something to do with man at his best intertwinning with the Shekhina (represented by the woman).

I am grateful and appreciate your knowledge! It also helped me to think through my thoughts.

DJBA, good post. I've been trying to get a better understanding of some racial issues and this helps.

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