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07 May 2009

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Thanks for the clarification, but I think this still makes the Dems look bad. The act of pedophilia is a crime, but is the orientation towards pedophilia a crime? If someone hates pedophiles -- whether they are practicing pedophiles or not -- and beats them up because of it, it that a lesser crime than beating up someone who happens to be gay? (whether or not you knew he was gay)

I'm pretty sure that if the pedophiles had a lobby as well funded as the gays they could convince you populace that they were "born that way" and that is was an orientation.

@Neil:

I think there are some folks out there who might be inclined to say that pedophiles are born that way (I think most sociopaths are born that way, but that's another issue).

Maybe they could get a lobby together, who knows, I don't see that lobby MAKING it to DC to start paying politicians dem or rep to vote for their cause (yes that's an implied threat lol, the name is "Black Adam" after all :-) )

I think it makes the RIGHT look bad in my opinion, clearly fear mongering at the expense of legal debate about hate crimes legislation.

To the question, " If someone hates pedophiles -- whether they are practicing pedophiles or not -- and beats them up because of it, it that a lesser crime than beating up someone who happens to be gay?"

In my opinion the only crime for beating up a pedophile is assault and battery. I think that beating up a consenting adult because of whatever consenting adult he or she wants to sleep with IS a greater crime than beating up an abuser of children. And due to hate crimes legeislation IT IS. Beat up a ped, assault and battery, beat up a gay person, hate crime and assault an abttery....problem? Beating up a ped should not be a chargeable crime if the ped is abusing a child.

BUT thats me..

Actually, pedophilia is not a crime, because is it not an act but a mental condition. Child abuse is a crime, which is sometimes, but far from always, committed by pedophiles.

To elucidate, pedophilia is a mental condition in which people are sexually aroused by prepubescent children. This is usually because they were sexually abused when they themselves were children and is a form of mental scarring. Most pedophiles never act on their impulses and are fully aware that they are sick and live in self-loathing and dread that they might hurt a child. These people need our help.

Child abuse is the act of molesting a child. Some child abusers are pedophiles who choose to act on their impulses, but most are NOT pedophiles - they're not sexually attracted to children at all, but molest children because it gives them a sense of power over their victims.

I'm sorry I went off on a rant, but I have strong feelings about this.

@Neil: That's cute, but you're forgetting one thing: Homosexual acts are between two consenting adults, whereas child abuse is between an adult and a non-consenting child. Nice try. :P

Oh, and if I can add one thing: I don't believe in protecting pedophiles any more than I believe in protecting schizophrenics. I DO think they need mental help before they either abuse a child or do physical harm to themselves.

@Will:

Well, I guess I'm a bit more compassionate for schizophrenics, I believe they can actually get meidcation for their condition, whereas pedephiles (who act out on or have acted out on their "mental condition) should be whiped from the face of the earth as far as I'm concerned.

So the thought process of a pedophile is in itself not a crime, the action of having sex with a child is. And like you stated, that is quite different then sex between two consenting people, which, in y opinion, is between them.

I can only agree that pedophiles who abuse children should be punished. Child abuse is a heinous crime. I'm just saying, most pedophiles are aware that their impulses are wrong and need serious therapy.

@Will:

I am all for helping anyone with mental issues, especially BEFORE they hurt someone. I do wonder with pedophiles, can they be helped?

If you use the argument that pedophelia shouldn't be listed as excluded in the bill because it is a crime, remember that not too long ago, homosexuality was a crime (and probably still is in some states). By that logic, we don't need the bill at all, because homosexuality is a crime.

Suppose that a person has been shown to hate Christians and attacks someone as they come out of church. Would they be charged under this law?

Suppose that a man loses his job to a fresh out of college young man. He decides that college graduates are a menace to his career and attacks students at the local college. Would he be charged?

Attacking a gay person is indeed a "hate crime" in most cases but so would attacking a hetero sexual person. Why should the charges be different?

Hate crime specifically means that the perp is trying to send a message to intimidate other people like the victim, be they gays, Hispanics, transsexuals, or, yes, Christians. WHO is being attacked doesn't matter as much as WHY.

Incorrect. Being a pedophile is not a crime, it's a sexual orientation. Sexual predation on children is a crime. They most likely left pedophiles out so that sexual orientation can be defined elsewhere and later modified to add/change the definition of sexual orientation.

Hate crimes against pedophiles should not be allowed. There are plenty of laws to protect children from sexual predation. Therefore, there is no reason to condone or allow people to attack a pedophile based on sexual orientation. Making it a hate crime to do so is the only sensible thing, especially with Megan’s law which brands pedophiles with a scarlet letter and makes them a likely target.

@Anon:

You wrote: "Incorrect. Being a pedophile is not a crime, it's a sexual orientation."

No, a sexual orientation involved two or more consenting people. Children cannot consent, for an adult to have sex with a child is a CRIME.

You continue with: "Sexual predation on children is a crime. They most likely left pedophiles out so that sexual orientation can be defined elsewhere and later modified to add/change the definition of sexual orientation."

I believe they left pedophiles out because pedophiles are simply sociopaths, who cannot be treated and at the least should be put in jails (in general population) for the rest of their natural lives when caught.
You continue with: "Hate crimes against pedophiles should not be allowed."

You are right, it should be LEGAL and not a hate crime to beat the dog sh** out of someone who has been convicted of raping a child, exceptions would only be for statutory charges where there is a 1-4 year difference of age of the perpetrators and victims perpetrators who are above the age of 13.

For the back of the class. PEDOPHILES are SOCIOPATHS, they cannot be rehabilitated, and they should at the least be put in jail for the rest of their lives when they are caught, the only reason I am not for the summary and brutal execution, is because I don't trust the system well enough to believe they always capture the right person.

"For the back of the class. PEDOPHILES are SOCIOPATHS, they cannot be rehabilitated"

Again, I respectfully disagree (in part) - I think that people who harbor pedophiliac tendencies but don't act on them should be encouraged to join support groups to suppress their urges.

If they ever actually hurt a child, though, they have no sympathy from me.

BTW, DJ, you might find the last panel of this comic amusing - http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0635.html

@Will:

Thanks for the link, now I'm hooked on the comic!

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