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    By faith I believe it, By faith I receive it
    By faith I can have it, By faith I can share it
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    By faith I will know it, By faith I will show it
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    I believe just what he said


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    I Believe, I Believe, I Believe
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    I Believe, I believe just what he said

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17 November 2008

Comments

Good questions and good responses on your part.

The Bible is not a science textbook but is accurate in the scientific claims it makes or aludes to. For example, at a time when only a thousand or so stars were visible, Moses noted that God told Abraham that he would have as many descendents as grains of sand on the seashore AND as many stars are in the sky - i.e., billions. Now how did Moses know that?

That is just one example.

I also point out to people how the Bible applauds the use of reason and critical thinking. Examples:

Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.

Somewhere in Isaiah: [God speaking] Come, let us reason together . . .

Many passages in Acts where Paul reasoned with people from the scriptures.

To me they're only mutually exclusive if a person tries to treat the Bible as if it were trying to do science, which, as you suggest, it just isn't.

All truth is God's truth, so if something is really true (e.g., gravity) then that is because God made it that way.

I don't see the two as exclusive. When I was in school, I was taught that science was the act of observation. Who among us observed the start of the earth? I'll admit I'm growing old, but I'm not that old.

I don't know how old the earth is. I wasn't there. I can do the math on the names in the Bible and say that it's somewhere around 6,000 years. Or 4,000 or whatever. When God created it, there were various minerals created that probably appeared to be millions of years old. Fresh out of the oven, they looked old!

I don't try to justify my faith against science. The previous paragraph represents more than I've said about it in over 10 years. If someone wants to argue, I let them and ask them who observed. When they go on and on, I just let them talk. When they come up with an answer to the observation question, I'll listen.

I don't believe that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive, but I do believe that as we learn more about the universe through science, atheism becomes more viable a worldview.

Will:

Thanks for commenting, I was interested in your thoughts on this.

You said: "I do believe that as we learn more about the universe through science, atheism becomes more viable a worldview."

What do you base that belief on (if you feel inclined to share)

It's easier to let go of spirituality when you know that the Earth doesn't turn solely by divine fiat, for instance. The more we know about the natural world, the less the supernatural is used to explain natural phenomena.

This is not to say that knowledge of science leads to atheism. Einstein was a Deist, after all. But a society in which scientific learning is widespread is a better environment for atheism than one that explains the world solely through the supernatural.

Fascinating Will, perhaps we have two different understandings of what "spirituality" is, in my case, the more I learn about astrophysics, biology and such, the more spiritual I become, the more certain of the God I have relationship with.

It seems to me that the more spectucular complexity and fine-tuning we see in the universe the more it points to a designer. Doesn't more appearance of design imply more of a need for a designer?

@Neil:

I agree. At the least the systems that work now were purposed by the hand of the Most High God.

All I can say is that the more I've learned about the universe, of natural selection and of how stars and planets are formed, the more it seems to me that these processes happen through simple cause-and-effect with a little random chance here and there. I've seen neither evidence of nor need for a designer.

@Will:

Maybe we see it differently because of how we see it? (if that makes any sense)...

Yeah, I get you.

I wouldn't be surprised if upbringing is part of it, too. Even when I was nominally a Christian as a child, I was never strongly invested in my religion. Plus I learned about dinosaurs before I learned about Jesus, so there you go. ;)

@Will:

Maybe thats why I can appreciate science and have my spirituality. I learned about dinosaurs and the solar system at a young age (k and 1st and 2nd grade) and was enamoured by those concepts, which gave me a curiosity about the universe from a scientific perspective.

At the same age, I had a rather intersting experience with God...hard to explain, but after that I never had any doubt of the existance of the Most High and I pursued that as well, on my own in independent study to understand.

I can say Marvel comics help get me to study the whole thing, I used to (and still do) read Thor, I was trying to understand why he called himself a "god", which lead to me studying mythology in my elementary school years, as well as religions.

Maybe thats why I see the necessity for both.

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