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09 May 2007

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i totally agree.. as soon as i started reading this post - the chris rock joke came to mind.. then you had it on here. lol.

yes - there are two black americas. and what is sad is that one group of the black americans can identify with the other, but not vice versa...

the common thing we all have is the fact that we are black. however, varying experiences make it extremely difficult for us as minorities to connect with each other to connect the gap that you are speaking of.

the sad thing is that it is such a complex element of our culture (which was instilled in us upon arrival to america), that if we were able solve this problem, we'd have a pulitzer.

Hey DJ,

Once again excellent post...how do we make a change...we start with our kids...our kids friends, ourselves, our family...we have to demand respect on every level. I once heard my son refer to a young lady in a derogative way...sh#T he heard obviously from music, tv, who knows, but not from me, because any and every woman deserves respect, calling them out their name, dogging them for whatever personal you have is uncalled for. He is my son, and it is up to me as a woman, to address these issues head on. I will not condone such in my house, outside my house, or even if i'm not in his presence. I say to the men out there professing they are respectful, that they don't condone such behavior...it's all talk, if you not walking the walk!

You gonna mess around and get banned from blogging posting this. LOL!

Very interesting post. I think you are right, but there already is a separation for the most part. We are leading very different lives and maybe the issue is how to re-connect. How to get people to value themselves and others and to believe that trying to have a better life isn't selling out, but what everyone should be striving for.

i feel you on this one and i more than agree with you the separation comes down to VALUES and MORALS. i live in a pretty nice subdivision in metro Atlanta (complete with a covenant that is enforced, manicured lawns with built-in sprinklers, 3 car garages, and a cute-sy clubhouse where the "more responsible" neighbors gather on a monthly basis for a homeowners association meeting). even though, we have our share of doctors, lawyers, professionals, entrepreneurs, realators, professional athletes, and the like... the price tag doesn't keep someone who hit the numba' (the Lottery in some states) from raising a down payment and buying the house next door.

last week, one of my neighbor's sons were involved in a police action where over 20 police and sheriff deputies descended on our neighborhood, while a police helicopter circled above with its high-powered spotlight searching for what i can only suspect was one of their "friends" who had escaped on foot. we were "treated" to over 2 hours of flashing blue lights until the "fugitive" was found and arrested (in the house across the street from mine).

i lie to you not, the seige ended with an undercover officer on the PA system of his car shouting: "Richard W****, this is the DeKalb County Police Department, we have the house surrounded... come out with your hands exposed."

in the words of chris rock, "i love me some Black folk, but i hate n*ggas"!

I totally agree. There's a writer named Butch Slaugter and he has a quote on his site that peggy-backs off of W.E.B.D's quote: "The problem with the 19th century, is the problem of the color line"

Butch Slaugter's quote is "the problem with the 21st century is the problem of the ni@#$ line and Black People need to draw that line."

He also quote's Chris Rock's piece, but I totally agree. We might like certain terms, but that doesn't change the actions...the behaviors associated with those terms. We've gotten to the point of focusing so much on the words, names and terms that we've overlooked the foundation of such, which is the actions that have brought the names into existence. We KNOW they are real...and we KNOW there's a difference in conduct between those we'd lable or consider 'ghetto' the divide exist within the mind-set...that's what we've got to change.

@ DC

You wrote: “the sad thing is that it is such a complex element of our culture (which was instilled in us upon arrival to America), that if we were able solve this problem, we'd have a Pulitzer.)

I agree, sometimes the gap seems insurmountable and trying to solve the problem an exercise in futility.

Posted by: dc | May 09, 2007 at 04:58 PM

@Mizrepresent:

You wrote:

“Once again excellent post...how do we make a change...we start with our kids...our kids friends, ourselves, our family...we have to demand respect on every level”

I concur, with my own children I teach them to be respectful of others, to honor and respect women as equal human beings and not body parts. BUTTTT, that seems to be about all the sphere of influence I have. With my cousins or nephews or nieces, I have some, but ultimately their parents have more, and if they value living in the projects or governments housing in the hood while driving a Navigator, what can I do about that? Thus the cycle continues…

@Creole:

LOL

@Anali:

Reconnecting would mean they would actually want to, it seems like they don’t. I have blood family members that would rather not be around me and my “uppity” or “bougie” attitude, which to them is because I don’t listen to GCI on a regular basis.

@Plez:

“in the words of chris rock, "i love me some Black folk, but i hate n*ggas"!”

Being honest, Some days I have to agree with that statement.

@Justmewriting:

You concluded with:

"We KNOW they are real...and we KNOW there's a difference in conduct between those we'd lable or consider 'ghetto' the divide exist within the mind-set...that's what we've got to change."

Amen.

I guess it depends on what kind of separation you mean.

I went to Subway the other day, at a different time than usual, and realized that a big chunk o' the ghetto crew were scheduled together at what I imagine would've been their least busy time of day. They instantly turned me off and I was glad to leave.

So, I'm willing (even eager) to physically separate myself when necessary, but I don't think that full and total abandonment is an option I'm willing to consider.

For better or for worse, these are still our people and, in many cases, our family members. My compromise, then, is to have enough separation to so their our different value sets don't collide too often, but I hope that we're close enough for us to be exposed to and benefit from the best that each group has to offer - and I believe both have positive and negative traits.

@West

You posited:

“but I hope that we're close enough for us to be exposed to and benefit from the best that each group has to offer - and I believe both have positive and negative traits.”

Nice observation, there is something we can learn from each other, that is without a doubt true, and there is positive and negative on each side. Total separation is not an option simply because of the social reality of the scientific fiction of race, so we have to accept each other in our differences and work within our commonalities.

At this point in time, there are some tensions that make us having day to day relations, less and less possible or preferable, there’s only so much I can take of my “Ghetto” family members, and only so much they can take of me. Just the actuality we inhabit I guess.


Great post, BA. You and I have had this conversation many times and it seems that there's no end to this. Some folks will never change as they feel comfortable in their own zone and unwilling to go beyond what they know. Which brings Me to dc's statement, "...what is sad is that one group of the black americans can identify with the other, but not vice versa..." I don't believe that to be true because there are extremists on both sides that have trouble seeing the grey areas. Sadly, it's those grey areas that could help them understand one another better and help reach common ground.

What can W/we do? Only what W/we can by helping those that want to change their situation. But everybody? Naah, that's foolish. I am a firm believer that you can't take everybody with you. (In some cases, nor should you want to.)

@Verb:

Good point, both sides have folks who are extreme and want nothing to do with the other, true and very true.

As well, you are right, you can't drag everyone with you, sometimes ya just gotta seperate.

Great post! I would like to point out that just as you mentioned that yourself and most of the people you associate with, don't subscribe to much of the foolishness on the radio and television that depicts us as soft-shoe dancing coons (not exactly your words lol), we kind of already separate ourselves from those of us who are more "ghetto" as well.

I certainly can't imagine that you would hang out with guys wearing do-rags and hoodies to job interviews, just the same as I'm not "kicking it" with some chick with blue hair.

I think the separation has already occurred. Now, if we could only get white folks to understand that we aren't all the same...

@Sugar

I think the separation has already occurred. Now, if we could only get white folks to understand that we aren't all the same...

Might I suggest Red, White and Blue ID cards for the “ghetto minded” and Red, Black and Green for the “non-ghetto minded”?

:-)

Sounds good!

So, I've been thinking about this quite a bit since I first read your post. True, I don't associate with people I have nothing in common with, and there are a whole lot of crass, immoral, ignorant people of all colors that I have nothing in common with. For example, I have nothing in common with folks who take their toddlers to see Spiderman III. I have nothing in common with people who wear leopard print booty shorts to dinner at the Cheesecake Factory.

I think what you are getting at is that if you are white, no one automatically assumes that you have a "ghetto" mentality. My white father can walk into Wal-Mart and return something without being overly questioned about why it's being returned. I can't do that. Neither can my mom or my sister. Most of the white folks I know, whether they have a JD/MBA from Stanford or no letters behind their name at all, never have to worry about being confused with the lowest common denominator that shows up on Jerry Springer. Black folks never get that luxury. People that have never spoken with me before may look at me and assume that I don't speak standard English, that I have had children out-of-wedlock, that I'm cashing welfare checks. Sure, if some black people didn't act like that, racist folks possibly wouldn't assume I do, but I really think racists are going to stereotype black folks regardless of whether we are all upstanding citizens. I think these ghetto mindsets are a by-product of racism. If we eliminate the racism and the institutional, social and cultural weight of racism, (and sexism/degredation of women) a lot of these mentalities go away. As for my "Charm School" type brothers and sisters, I 100% believe mindsets and behaviors can be changed. How? That's another question, but I haven't given up hope yet!

Thank you. This had been my point for months. Plenty of black folk have already started the boycott against negative-stereotyping media made by white and black people. We have already chosen to take our own people to task by not supporting their nonsense. Either you're with us or you're against us! I'm not going to stop trying to convince the 'hood masses to abandon negative lifestyles, but the n****** and the black folk have already separated.

DJBA,

You know that I am with you on this.... it is a subject that is very near to my heart. So many of your readers have said what Iwas thinking about your post, but here is the first thing that jumped out at me:

"...this is about MINDSET. “Ghetto” for this discussion is not so much a place but a state of mind.”

Well said, and exactly the point that Cora Daniels made in her book.

A large problem that I see on a regular basis, is that as the economic power of black people continues to grow, more and more of our people are able to lift themselves up into better employment opportunities, and thus better housing opportunities. When this happens, many of our people abandon what may be geographically called the "ghetto" and move to the suburbs... which is great. The problem is that many of our people fail to understand that to continue said success, they need to leave the ghetto mindset in the ghetto when they leave.

Too many of our people never get the idea that ghetto mentality is a root cause in social marginalization. If you keep it, it won't matter to anyone that you live in an $800,000 dollar home, and have four Escalades in the driveway.

I could go on, but you get my drift.

Peace,

GF

I'on get it, lol. Why we gotta separate? And why into just 2? If thats the case, there's plenty more separations that can be made, lol.

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